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Thanks for an honest and well written review. I did receive a promotional e-mail and was considering joining this service but I will definitely reconsider now. Might e-mail them to see if a free trial is available but judging by your experience I won’t hold my breath for an answer. Cheers – Wayne
I completely agree with your review of this service. I made the mistake of joining them and they are very poor with non existent customer service. Also whenever they change the URL of the selections page they don’t bother notifying you meaning you miss out on the selections you pay for.
Very poor service – stay away from this!
I read this review and am glad luckily I found a more accurate one, whilst the method is adapted I have never made so much money. Perhaps you need to research things more thoroughly and also I have received replies to emails and the new selections page no problem. Not had one day without winners
Follow the advice on how to use the selections and you do not need another system at all.
Thanks for your comment John, we certainly encourage opinions and debate on the site even when they do not match our own. Whilst we were aware of the other review to which you refer, the reviewer suggests using a progressive “martingale” style staking system with the dutch and win selections. This staking advice is not actually a part of the service as supplied by the vendor, and therefore cannot be considered when compiling our review, even if we did recommend doing this. Whether you wish to use such staking or not is up to the individual, however during our review period we saw several runs in which the service posted numerous consecutive losses which would have seen stakes mount up to an unsustainable level. You may well have been lucky enough to receive responses to your queries from the vendor, but we were not. This suggests at best a haphazard approach to customer service where all customers are not treated equally. Of course we can only report on our own experiences during our own test period and during this time both the results and the service was sub standard and cannot be recommended.
Have to agree with the reviewer / admin here. If a system is not profitable to level stakes, why should it be given a good review just because someone else has managed to make a few quid using a progressive staking system?
If it doesn’t make money to level stakes, it will lose in the long term whatever staking system you use. Each to their own of course – but I reckon this is a fair and decent review.
“If it doesn’t make money to level stakes, it will lose in the long term whatever staking system you use. Each to their own of course – but I reckon this is a fair and decent review.” – An absolute ludicrous statement and explans why 99% of gamblers lose money
Ha ha. That’s fine pal, as I said each to their own. You keep on with your martingale staking and best of luck to you. Be sure to let us know when you have your first losing sequence and blow your bank though won’t you?
Or do you think that just happens to other people, never to you? According to this review it’s happened before so it is only a matter of time.
Your staking plan aside, I still think you’re missing the point which is – this service is advertised as profitable to level stakes, and it isn’t, hence they didn’t recommend it. Can’t see the problem.
John – why do you think that the statement by Wizard is “ludicrous”? You don’t offer any explanation to back that up.
As a mathematics undergraduate I feel I am in a position to offer an informed comment, and I can confirm that Wizard is quite correct. Any system that loses money to level stakes will lose money long term irrespective of the staking system you use.
If you disagree with this, why not just go to the casino and play roulette? If you play to level stakes you’ll make a small loss on turnover over time. Do you think using a different staking system will improve your results?
I think you should be more careful when criticising the statements others have made before you’ve checked your facts.
Regards, Mark M
Sorry Mark being a mathmetics undergraduate does not make you right casino’s and poker rooms are full of them believing they can beat the system. You are a person with a limited knowledge of mathmetics attempting to put yourself forward as an expert on staking systems. The facts are many systems can and will only make money when using some sort of progressive staking plan and i use a few of them successfully. The important factor is knowing what your chances of getting mulpiple losers are and having some sort of stop loss. If you had taken a bit of time to have a look at what the revised system offered i might have given you a bit of credibilty but you appear to be up.
My issue with system is it has only been on the market since may 2009 and there are not enough results to back up the seven years history they claim. Why?
I believe the review to be more than fair and it would have failed with me but with proviso of looking at it again later when signifanctly more results were available. The following of ian erskine’s revision of the system is a complete red herring the system failed the review Ian’s ideas might work but he has only been running them for two months.
Jim, I fear you have missed the point. Please read my post more carefully and look for a hint of irony when I mention roulette. You may find one.
Roulette is a prime example of a game that is not profitable to level stakes, and no staking system will make it so. That was my point, and the same applies to betting on sports.
I know nothing of this system or its results but I trust the review. I am generalising and noticed John’s comment which is factually incorrect, thus I corrected it.
If you feel my knowledge is limited I look forward to your evidence that proves me wrong, should be a laugh.
This service has certainly attracted a lot of debate. One point that Jim made is very interesting. This erskine guy purports to be a pro gambler with a long term approach yet he heavily promotes this dutch and win that has only been going a few months and uses progressive staking on it. Something there just doesn’t add up….
I pretty much agree with this. I bought Morrison’s system and it has made me money but you have to put up with a lot of americanised hype “give mea whoop whoop and a high five” and he has changed the rules after a loss. If you can put up with that you will make a profit.
Thanks for the article. Spread betting makes a lot more sense when explained like this and I can definitely see the advantages (like £200 free for a start).
I’m going to give it a try.
I’d like to add that I suspect Morrison has sold my e-mail address to a spammer. Recently I have started receiving spam e-mails from “James Jones”
Now, these mails are coming to an e-mail address that I have only ever used for Morrison’s picks, nobody else even knows this address exists. Therefore it is pretty obvious who the culprit is.
I have reported John Morrison to my ISP for spam and if you get College Football e-mails from someone calling themselves James Jones then I suggest you do the same. It seems Morrison will stop at nothing to make a fast buck.
don’t know why I never thort of this before, i have so many bad sistems i could use thank you very much for sugestion
Ian Erskine may well be a nice guy but he doesn’t half recommend some crap. Take the “£100 to £5000″ thing which he recommended well over a year ago, well so far we’re on our second £100 after the first one was lost and it’s increased to around £140, an overall loss for over 12 months worth of effort. Complete tripe and the last time I buy anything on his recommendation.
As for dutch an lose, wouldn’t touch it with stolen money.
The selections and subscriptions page is down at present, due to non payment so god knows what is going on. Maybe they have done a bunk with the subscription money!
As for the service I was/ am in profit using Ian’s method although have lost a lot on it recently with their recent terrible run. The performance does seem to be inconsistent. In August it was excellent and I made over £1000, and I missed the first week which had a lot of winners, and the first part of September was also very good, but it tailed of dramatically towards the end of the month. Also I did use it in June and it was poor then and it made a loss to level stakes.
I agree with the Wizard about staking plans only working if the service makes a profit at level stakes. It is hard to tell with this system if this is the case or not though as from August to the start of the bad run in September it would have been a very nice level stakes profit, but a loss in October and June. There would need to be more data collected in my view to be sure.
As for Ian the only bad thing I can say about him is that his customer service is not great, but that is understandable given all the idiots he has to deal with. FTS is a great product that makes long term profits and while he has recommended some bad stuff, he admits to it when it goes tits up such as with John Morrison’s system. He also introduced me to Xfiles and if all the rest of his recommendations were useless that service alone would make up for it.
Curiously, Ian Erskine’s site is down as well with exactly the same message as the dutch and win site.
I’m pretty sure that the two ae connected, and probably run by the same people, which can be the only reason for him recommending them. Bit dodgy in my opinion as he claims to be independent.
I totally agree about xfiles though Mike – it’s a genuinely top class service.
That is very strange and I did not know that until just now. Ian has always come across as a genuine guy to me and the FTS email come through as normal today so do not what to make of it. Ian is back on Monday I belive so may have to wait until then for answers.
It would be surprisingif he is behind Dutch and Win in some way as he has always claimed to know nothing about horses.
Could be that a third party is behind both Erskine and dutch and win, and is therefore able to influence what he recommends.
Just speculating anyway. It proves nothing conclusively but it’s a hell of a coincidence in my opinion.
Yes that is a possibility and it is hard to believe in coincidences in these situations. Also if there is a group behind Ian then Profitpoint could be involved as well. I made nothing of it at the time, but I seem to remember Profitpoint having the same or similar company name as FTS and lo and behold I have just checked them and they are suspended as well.
This whole situation is becoming increasingly dodgy and the explanations should be interesting.
Hi guys iv been following this thread with interest. Hope Dennis is wrong because i wud like 2 believe there r some honest peopl out there but i agree it looks dodgy.
If anyone gets an explanation wud u mind posting it on here as id be very interested to hear it, thanx Emma xxx
SWEET! Thanks for pointing this out, much better than paying £5 to watch it
Yeah. I have no clue on what spread betting account is but because of reliable and easy to understand articles I have learned something Thanks to you!
When the Dutch & Win site went down I immediately cancelled my subscription and contacted ClickBank for a refund.
It transpired that the site was down because of some disgruntled hacker; it was back up the following day or so.
I think it only fair to point this out since the allegation of possible fraud was made in an earlier post. Their service may be useless, folks, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are crooks.
The notion that Ian Erskine is behind this service. or that some other entity is behind them both, seems unlikely to me.
M. Lynch
Just to clarify I did say there was no conclusive proof of anything so I’m not accusing Ian Erskine of being a crook.
I don’t even think it’s crooked if he is connected to all the services he recommends, just that his opinion may not be as unbiased as he makes out.
As far as I’m aware there has been no explanation as to why his own site and the sites of everyone he recommends were all mysteriously hacked at the same time. It still seems to me like a hell of a coincidence and I’m not sure I believe in coincidences any more.
Mike/Dennis
I’ve had a look at XFiles after reading your comments in this blog – is it really that good/ It’s certainly quite expensive..Have you ever paid for 2 weeks subs and not received any info? Dougie
Best service I’ve come across for some time Dougie. Not every bet wins by any means but overall profits are really good if you stick at it. NFL makes a lot of money every year. The horses he picks are good prices, no crappy odds on picks.
He doesn’t bet every day or for the sake of it which is a good thing in my opinion. Not sure what the longest time without a bet has been. Certainly not 2 weeks at the moment because there is NFL every Sunday.
Overall I am convinced that he is the real deal and has probably made a lot of money from his betting over the years. He’s not running the xfiles service for the money anyway otherwise it would be much better advertised.
Feel like I’m writing a bit of a review here. Maybe the FBA site admin will give me a job?
We have one job opening for a PA. Must like short skirts and look like Denise Richards. Please e-mail CVs (inc photo) to the admin!
Dennis-I was really addressing the idea that they might have “done a bunk with the subscription money”, which apparently they have not, and which needed to be corrected.
Michael Lynch
hi as a newbie i will give it a try chris
Very useful information. I had no idea there was so much money to be made from cricket trading.
Looking forward to giving this a try on the next ODI.
Could you tell me where to find “Bet Angel Professional” as the link above does not now work.
Apologies, the above link has now been fixed. For the free trial of Bet Angel please visit
http://www.free-bet-advice.com/go/freebetangel.php
If you ask me, anyone who falls for any of Erskine’s crap needs their head examining. The guy is a total fookin hypocrite! Sets himself up to be holier than thou champion of the people and then sells you a load of crap systems that his mates run. Avoid this guy!!!
Thanks for the useful guide, too bad my modem takes an hour to download it lol
I agree with Bojan. The systems and services that Ian Erskine recommends are awful.
The only thing worse is his own service, his selections are absolutely dreadful. He has you laying at really high odds and his strike rate stinks. The “analysis” he claims he has done is often totally wrong, today he had his followers trading on Rangers who had no strikers fit, and then Heerenveen who only score a goal every 101 minutes!!! He is lying if he says he makes thousands each year because the bets he sends out always lose.
Doh I’ve been meaning to join these for a while but been putting it off, better get moving I guess
One review writer said… Not Many Laying Systems Come Close To Racing Secrets Exposed. You might want to check it out if you bet on horse races.
That was a professional review. I’ll be sure to bookmark your page and check back for others.
Though I would have loved it much more if you included a relevant video or at least images to support the explanation, I still found your post quite useful. It is generally hard to make a complex subject matter look easy. I enjoy your blog and will register to your feed so I won’t miss anything. Impressive articles
Normalerweise kommentiere ich nicht – aber weil mir das auf dem Herzen ist, dann muss ich nur eins sagen – Danke, gut gemacht!
i agree with the last 2 comments. Ian Erskine is just crook. I bought his fts when it started in 2007 and for 3 or 4 mths it was great and really did think it was the real deal, but then he would send you strange games with odds of 5+ which would leave you sweating if underdog scored first. A friend of mine asked for some proof of his winnings i.e a screenshoot or something and never got any. The maths ddsnt add up how can he win 250k just on fts and if he did why would you use/reccomend all the other systems. His real name is iain higgins and he slips up now and again